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Public service announcement

  • Feb. 10th, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Me
Recently I've noticed that there are a lot of women at work who appear to be "melting". Women who were a lot, lot larger than they are now, and whose weight is dropping like a stone.

Then they tell you that they have had bariatric surgery, and my heart just freezes up.

I've always had a curious attraction/repulsion towards the idea of weight loss surgery, because, while the results in so many women are obvious, I can't help but think that there's something really scary to me about the idea of not being able to eat more than 2 oz of food at a time without being sick.

And then, this morning, I read this.

I can't even begin to imagine.

I can't.

And as greedy as I know doctors are, I'm still outraged at the idea that a doctor would mutilate and debilitate women, and do this kind of harm, for the price of a surgery.

I'll eat my salad. I'll do my workout. I'll pay attention to my health.

And when a doctor tries to tell me that it's healthier to be thin than to be fat, I'll laugh and tell him that sometimes thin has too high a price.

Don't do it.

Please--don't do it.

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[info]jynxgirl wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 05:43 pm (UTC)
I used to have an awesome doctor who would tell me that he'd rather see me healthy and fat than thin and sick as hell. I watched a show a while back on the gastric surgeries. This woman started out weighing something like 450lbs, and after her surgery and two years, she was down to like 112lbs. She has to swallow upwards of 15 pills and supplements a day, inject insulin and other digestive aids and has to eat 7 meals a day because "Thin is healthier than fat". Know what? I'd rather weigh my 220lbs (I'm down ten pounds!!) have great cholesterol, a decent heart despite my already exisisting heart condition, and my diabetes than go through all that. I'm losing weight a safe, healthy, medically controlled way... and honestly, I'm happy with that.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 05:46 pm (UTC)
GOOD.

Because this is just a horror of gargantuan proportions.

I can't even begin to imagine what would possess a woman with a perfectly healthy albeit larger body to do this--and make herself a cripple for the rest of her life.
[info]jaxomsride wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 05:47 pm (UTC)
I think we should re-focus on the fat vs thin debate. It shouldn't be "you look thin/fat" it should be focussed on how healthy you look. Whether you are glowing, full of life and bright eyed is far more important than body shape.
We are always told to eat healthy but no one comes up and Says, "Hey you look healthy, how do you do it?"
Start the trend, compliment people on how healthy they look. If someone at your work place looks ill say so, in the nice way!
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
The thing that's really tragic is that I never thought of these women as being particularly large. They never appeared to be in any way hampered by extra weight, in the way of getting around or anything like that. I know that there are some people who do this because the excess weight actually cripples them--they can't walk anymore, or do much without getting out of breath or hurting themselves in some way. So in those particular cases, I can kind of see why.

But if you can be healthy and big, I can't see risking being ill and small.
[info]jaxomsride wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 06:05 pm (UTC)
I spent the first 20 years of my life clinically underweight. Being slim isn't all that its cracked up to be.
The trouble is the media is focused on shape. Not how well someone looks. It's a vicious cycle we need to break out of.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 06:22 pm (UTC)
My mother says that she spent the first 10 years of my life trying to get me to eat and the next ten trying to get me to stop...! ;-)

That's not quite true, but I went through a period between the time I was five and about 9 when I had a "nervous stomach"--when eating made me feel sick, and so I didn't do a lot of it.

And yes, it was not healthy. I remember my mother literally WEEPING when she helped me with my bath, because she could count all my bones...

All I can remember about that time was feeling sick all the time. So yes, I imagine that, if I went back in that direction, I would feel very much the same way.

And yeah, the media does it a lot, in the way of setting trends. But I think that its possible that our own Western sense of competition mixed with inferiority just feeds their influence.
[info]siliconshaman wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC)
and this would the single most fatal flaw in the entire American medical system...
doctors are paid according to the work they do... which means if they want more money, they have to do more work, which leads to them doing unnecessary work. Which means there is pressure to invent or exaggerate diseases and syndromes etc.

It's the same problem we have with dentists in the UK.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 06:26 pm (UTC)
The fact that they're prepared to do it on girls and young women just makes me want to....well, I'm trying to renounce my violent nature, but that is just an abomination, IMO.

But you know, there are actually PARENTS out there who are sufficiently brainwashed as to push their daughters in this direction as well.

Lately, I've found myself thinking more and more like you...

Shaved apes.
[info]siliconshaman wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 06:46 pm (UTC)
There's a helluva lot more pressure in the US to conform, to be successful, where successful = popular... which equals conformity to societies ideals ie, thin, for a start [and white, blond etc etc etc.]

But yeah, shaved apes, not really thinking at all.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 06:52 pm (UTC)
I was listening to some guy on the radio yesterday talking about what people have to do in order to be successful in business...

By his definition, I should probably be flipping burgers or packing shopping bags somewhere, because there's no way in hell I could do ANY of those things he was describing. And you know, the odd thing is that it's the YOUNGER people in society who are so rigid and judgmental--managers of my generation are happy when people show up! ;-)

But really--I look around me and more and more I'm convinced that we're DE-evolving more than we're moving forward.
[info]siliconshaman wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 09:16 pm (UTC)
Well, you remember what it was like being a teenager, the insecurity, the uncertainty over who you are, much less what you're going to do...
any wonder they are easy to stampede into conforming?

And yes, we're sliding into a sort of technological barbarism, becoming more tribal minded and intolerant of difference, clinging to any illusion of certainty in a rapidly changing, ever more complex world...
basically, the shaved apes are frightened and want to climb back into the trees.

They get really upset when you shake their trees.
[info]silkensteel wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 07:46 pm (UTC)
I could rant for hours, or days. Not really a point, as people will do what they do regardless. Hardly anyone here believes I just celebrated my 44th birthday, and all I do is eat right, treat snacks as snacks, and work up a sweat a few times a week. Do I snack? Hell yeah. I just sort of... eat.

Mariel is lanky, nearly skinny, and part of the problem is the food that affects her behavior is the stuff she will eat the most of - so we have to sneak fats and calories into her (hot cocoa with a raw egg white and straight coconut milk being her most frequent breakfast these days.)

Sorta large - I was that. This culture does not teach moderation, merely suggests it at the end of beer commercials. I had to learn moderation and real food enjoyment on my own.

What do people need to eat to be healthy? Less nutrition and more food. Look up an article, NYTimes Sunday from a week or two ago, called "Unhappy Meals." It's by the author of "The Omnivore's Dilemma."

BTW, if you get a chance, pick up some arugula plants for your garden. The leaves taste like spicy peanuts, and they're great to snack on while you weed.

And weed barefoot, especially if it's raining. No point in shoes.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2007 03:00 pm (UTC)
I hate gardening in shoes. I'll do it if it's slick and I need more traction, but mostly I try to find the least shoe for the most stability! ;-)

I dunno--the whole food thing...it's just insane. I mean, yeah, there are foods on which you function best and foods on which you don't. And it changes, with me, with the seasons. I know that by and large I do better on lean proteins and vegetables--in the summer. In the winter, I find myself looking longingly at the potato that I turned my nose up at in July.

Am I wrong to listen to what my body wants? Somehow, I don't think it's a terrible strategy.

My HPS used to say, "Nothing is poisonous."

Keeping that in my mind is probably the thing that keeps me from having a paranoia induced eating disorder.

Arugula is da bomb diggety.
[info]moropus wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2007 11:53 pm (UTC)
Anyone who would do this surgery to a child ought to be horsewhipped. so much for me getting more mellow. We know he surgery is bad for adults; we know what it does to them. And FYI, I know of one person who had the surgery then managed to restretch the stomach and continue overeating.

How much you eat is only a symptom. If somebody thinks food equals love and thinks nobody loves them, they will eat every single time they feel bad, because food is love and comfort and a great big hug. I did this myself for many years.

I have a belief that with AIDS, more deathly forms of TB, and other diseases running rampant in the near future, that being a few pounds overweight will suddenly be looked upon as healthy and good and wonderful. Or maybe it's just a vain hope.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 11th, 2007 03:02 pm (UTC)
I like your hope.

But considering the fact that the fashion industry tried to make heroin addiction look glamorous, I'm not holding my breath.
[info]ilanikhan wrote:
Feb. 12th, 2007 07:36 pm (UTC)
I was pointed her by Junkfood science, and I want to express my agreement with you. And add one more point:

Recently I've noticed that there are a lot of women at work who appear to be "melting"...

I, too, have noticed this. I didn't see one woman for four months, when I did, it was shocking scary - she was half her original size. Before I thought she was beautiful, now she looks sick.
Where I am, the popular method is "Dr. Brenstein", which is just expensive starvation with vitamin shots. There's a complicated program, they won't even let you use hand cream because the fats will be absorbed through your skin and sabotage the program.
I worry whenever I see it happening.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 12:10 am (UTC)
Hand cream????

That's just nuts.

The body NEEDS fat--the body needs to consume fat in order to metabolize sugars. It needs to be good fat, to be sure, but if you don't consume fat, you're going to get sick.

Hence the people you know looking unwell.

I know that there is a lot of pressure, on women in particular but on men as well, to be lean. That's such common knowledge as to be almost cliche. But while we all talk about what a burden it is, and how unfair it is, and how ridiculous it is for people to do the things they do in order to be slender, and how we should all love our bodies just the way they are....the diet industry and the weight-loss docs all manage to get very rich.

It's like we know in our minds that it's wrong to feel that way about ourselves, and to be dictated to by the media as to how our bodies should look. We KNOW it--

We just don't know it when we look in the mirror and wish that we were someone we're not, and when we can't see the infinite helping of beauty we've been given, no matter who is looking back at us from that shiny surface.

I don't know what can be done to get women to feel that delight in their own bodies, but it breaks my heart to see that we can't seem to get free of the mind-poison we've been spoon-fed from the time we're little--in fact, it only seems to be getting worse.

But I cannot sit here and think about people I love doing this to themselves without saying SOMETHING.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 12:11 am (UTC)
Oh, and by the way...

Thanks for stopping by!
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 30th, 2008 08:56 am (UTC)
I had a bypass about 5 months ago. I would never have had this surgery were it not necessary. I was going blind through retinopathy and my kidneys were failing - I would have needed a transplant within 2 years. With 3 small children I felt I had to do something drastic for their sake. I know all about healthy eating and exercise, but I've been overweight all my life and nothing has ever worked for me longterm. I know about the risks linked to bariatric surgery and anybody having this or any other type of weight-loss surgery just to be thinner and look nicer is a lunatic. I am still in "The Honeymoon Period" and have done Ok so far, but I know the problems, if/when they arrive, will be when I am at least a year post-op. All I can do is make sure I eat well, take my supplements and keep my fingers crossed. I was facing potential health disaters either staying as I was or having the surgery. I felt my chances were better with the surgery, but only time will tell if I was correct.
[info]anahata56 wrote:
Aug. 5th, 2008 01:35 am (UTC)
I appreciate your situation, truly. I understand that very often, health concerns put people in the position of thinking that this is the best thing they can do, and very often, it is.

The thing I object to is the idea of women having this done because they saw an ad on TV, or mothers take their overweight daughters to have it done because the girls themselves are too young to consent, without those appended health concerns.

And the fact that nobody talks about what it actually means to have to live with the ramifications of that decision. Nobody advertises a lifetime of supplements, or "dumping", or what happens if your craving attempts to override your physical capability. And it's rare that anyone talks about how one's relationships with nourishment change, or the psychological ramifications of this procedure, or how this will not reverse an eating disorder.

Everyone's decisions are their own, to be sure. But I believe, very strongly, in informed consent to a surgical procedure, and I believe that there are too many people doing this who, unlike you, are completely unprepared for what comes after. And I don't hold the people who have the procedure responsible for that, necessarily--I hold the medical community responsible.
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